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Are You Making the Most of Your Effects Chain?!

July 11, 2013

It’s a question we get here at PGS all the time: “What order should I put my new pedals in? Do I put my Mr. Black Double Chorus before my Catalinbread Dirty Little Secret or after?! Help!”

Pairing multiple pedals in your effects chain raises a great question about what order to place your effects—primarily related to where to place effects in relation to dirt. As always, everyone’s mileage varies—we always recommended trying your pedals in multiple configurations and going with the placement that your ears like best. In the meantime, here’s a run-down from PGS Andy with his take on effects placement.

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Before Dirt:

Tuner: You probably want to spend the least amount of time tuning, so put this guy first so you don’t have to turn off any pitch altering pedals. Some people even put the tuner through a bypass box since it doesn’t do anything for your tone.

Compressor/Volume/Boost: The compressor has always been favored by guitarists at the beginning of the chain. Since compressors have a great affect on your approach, dynamics and sustain, placing it towards the front will ‘preserve the funk’ no matter the pedal combination. Volume pedals placed in the beginning react more like the guitar’s volume knob. It will reduce the amount of dirt to an overdrive or give you spacey volume swells before a delay. Volume pedals serve the role of a master volume when at the end of the pedalboard. The exact tone you have will be lowered as if turning down your amp. It’s always a good idea to still place it before delay/reverb to fade out gracefully.  Last, a boost is commonly placed after a compressor to compensate for heavy compression or boost lower output pickups. If you have it setup to buffer, place it before your tuner to help those long cables. Of course, a boost will work virtually anywhere in your chain. Try one as a line driver, right before an amp, to make up for any tone sucker pedals.

Pitch Shift: This includes analog and digital pitch changers like a Whammyoctave, ring modulator and synth-like effects.  Placing these before dirt is very crucial when it comes to accurate tracking of the guitar signal. Monophonic analog pedals especially like a clean signal or else they get ‘confused’ and warble all over the place. Recently, the Digitech Harmony Man opened up the possibility of pre-harmony distortion with a separate send and return for your dirt pedals.

Wah/EQ: Place it before dirt if you want a less jarring effect. Say you have it half cocked for a midrange boost, a distortion after the wah will amplify that frequency while staying in the confines of the distortion’s parameters, maintaining its natural range and character. That same midrange boost after a Tubescreamer for instance, will amplify other frequencies not constrained by the overdrive’s output level and inherent compression. The latter is a radical shift in tone which can be effective for de-mudding a scooped fuzz. Personally, I think some fuzz pedals sounds nasty, in a good way, before wah.  A great example for your ears is the tune “Maggot Brain.” by either Funkadelic or J. Mascis. Both versions have blazing fuzz into wah sound.

EQ pedals have a wider frequency range and can be placed pretty much anywhere on the board. EQ at the front of your board will change the way your effects react. Take for instance the Duncan Pickup Booster, which virtually turns single coils into humbuckers. Your overdrive or phaser, for instance, will clip at different points with hotter pickups. When playing bass in a side project, I used an EQ at the end of my board to roll off some of the ultra low frequencies that my old tube amp couldn’t quite produce.  That way the compressor and other FX I used saw the full range from the pickups.

Modulation: I’m basically lumping phaserchorus/flange and vibe effects here. These pedals all have a ‘swish’ of some kind. Placing them before distortion will retain the same swish range as when they’re on by themselves.  If you like the way a phaser into a dirty Marshall sounds, this is essentially the same configuration because the amp distortion is after modulation. There are no rules though, so chorus pedals can be placed after dirt to sound more metallic and flange-like. A flanger is definitely not one to be pigeon holed either since those EVH jet plane sounds are most likely a distortion driving it.  On the other side, 80’s fusion flange/chorus tones are most likely before distortion to sound smoother. For vibes, I always hear great arguments from both sides. Hendrix’s “Star Spangles Banner” was a Fuzz Face into a Univibe but Robin Trower is known to use it the other way around. Some even say fuzz, vibe, and then overdrive to rid the raspy-ness!  Maybe the rule of thumb for modulation is lush-pre distortion and intense swish-post distortion.

 

Finally… A Spot for Your Dirt:

Distortionoverdrive and fuzz can be ‘safe’ in this position. But what about using multiple types, you say? Fuzz can be a fickle beast, especially germanium transistor pedals as they don’t have the headroom to take a hot signal. The result is usually a crispy sound that lacks the warmth and softer attack we love about fuzz. For this reason, I put my fuzz pedals first and then overdrive that sound. Here at PGS, I’ve stacked quite a few dirt pedals like the 3 Xotic Booster pedals. Three different overdrives placed in various order can produce some very unique sounds. Again, there aren’t any wrong ways to connect them, just different.

 

After Dirt:

 

Delay/Reverb: As I mentioned earlier, flange and chorus could end up here since they are in the same family as delay. Whether it’s digital or analog, I haven’t found too many people that disagree with placing delay at the end of the board.  It makes sure every nuance like a fast wah flutter or crazy flange oscillation will be repeated again and again…

If you have an effects loop, it will come in handy for running delay and reverb through it -- you will notice a cleaner echo repeat and less muddiness.  It’s similar to adding a delay plug-in to a guitar track on your recording software versus one right after your Big Muff. The plug-in delay would have a fuller, more distinguishable effect. Plus, using the FX Loop gives you more control of the ‘wet’ levels.  Reverb pedals sit right at home in an effects loop. Like a built in spring reverb, it is placed after the preamp stage. Just remember the tone of the reverb in an effects loop is now affected by your amp tone settings.  If you’ve noticed your reverb and delay are too murky, give that FX loop a shot.

Tremolo: Just like an amplifier’s trem circuit, you will most likely place tremolo at the end of your board. Some place it after delay but before reverb so the tremolo pulses always dominate any tempo coming from the delay repeats. It’s really up to you which sound you’re going for. For a machine gun stutter, you definitely want to put it dead last for a distinct on/off sound. However, it doesn’t sound very organic to hear a chopping reverb signal, so keep that it mind.

That’s my take on effects placement and it’s a general guideline that is made to be broken. I just slap Velcro on all my pedals so nothing is permanent. Sorry I didn’t get to Multi FX pedals, though the RP1000 has the right idea with their FX routing both before and after your preamp section.

See you next time in the corner,
Andy

Comments

  1. John Reed says:

    I have a Line 6 M5 and I use it for tuner, compressor, tremolo. I don’t use it for pitch shifting, dirt,  reverb or delay. Where should I put it in my chain? I’ve got a boost, overdrive (Les Lius courtesy of you guys), distortion, fuzz, verb and delay pedals.

    posted on July 12, 2013 at 4:07 am
  2. Travis says:

    How does the placing of modualtion pedals work when using say a chorus and a flanger. 
    Do you flange the chorus or chorus the flanger? 
    What about different speeds? 
    slow into fast or fast into slow rates?
    Or am I overanalyzing it!!!

    posted on July 12, 2013 at 4:17 am
  3. Blake says:

    I only have three pedals in my chain at the moment, but I think my order is interesting. I have all Way Huge pedals (for now) which are the Pork Loin, the Swollen Pickle, and the Aqua-Puss. I run my Egnater Tweaker on the clean channel with the gain nearly cranked, AC setting. My order is Aqua-Puss -> Swollen Pickle -> Pork Loin. I don’t like the Aqua-Puss through the effects loop because it takes out too many highs. With it in front of the order, though, I’ve found that if I set the blend low, it works well for my cleaner sounds, and then when I bring in the Pork Loin, which I have pretty much maxed out as a boost gain with a volume knob, it actually brings more of the delay in for a more pronounced staccato effect, and I like the way the delay responds before the dirt. I just like to place the fuzz pedal before the overdrive because it’s similar to just running one hot into an amp, which the Pork Loin was meant to sound like a British preamp as it is.

    posted on July 12, 2013 at 4:24 am
  4. Jeff says:

    Re: modulation pedals placed before dirt pedals:  many modulation pedals have stereo outputs to get the most from the effect.  On the other hand, most dirt boxes are strictly mono.  Hate to give up the stereo outs of my Mobius to run the overdrive after it…

    posted on July 12, 2013 at 4:30 am
  5. Bob Brown says:

    What if you use a preamp, but not for boost?  I use one so I can crank my amps…for full amp tone…then lower the volume on the preamp to fit a smaller room. Does this effect placement in the chain?

    posted on July 12, 2013 at 4:31 am
  6. Tape says:

    Travis: When it comes to the order of specific pedals within a category, I think it’s best to experiment with your specific pedals and see which sounds you like. It could be that you really like the sound of your chorus feeding the flanger, but the flanger feeding the chorus doesn’t do it for you. Or maybe the reverse is true. Or maybe you get a new flanger that you like in the reverse order from how you had your old one.

    If you only ever have one of them on at a time, and not both, it doesn’t really matter either way.

    Personally, I like phaser before distortion, then chorus into flange after. But that’s just my taste.

    posted on July 12, 2013 at 4:31 am
  7. Terrance says:

    Good one PGS, order is so important and subjective. I changed my board daily for a couple of months then I finally settled in. Non Banders, keep in mind you really only know how well it works when in a band situation. I found many times sitting front of the TV while messin around was not what I needed in front of the mic singing/riffing in the band was a totally diffferent need. Currently running the boss tuner>DOD Compreassor> Dr Scientist The elements > Boss Stock Blues Driver> Ibanez Echo Delay ? Boss Trem > boss DD7 Delay > amp - seems to work well for my needs but knowing me it may change > soon ifI get the Fulltone Deja Vibe

    posted on July 12, 2013 at 4:38 am
  8. Collin says:

    Fuzz after Buffer. Never sounded rougher.

    Fuzzes should be placed before any buffered circuits like Boss pedals (even TU-2/TU-3). The impedance mismatch can really change the sound of your favorite fuzz pedal. I put mine absolutely first in my chain.

    posted on July 12, 2013 at 4:41 am
  9. Blackie James says:

    On my most recent touring pedal board I have the following setup. My guitar into a Boss tuner then into a two knob Keely Compressor then into a Keeley modded Boss Blues Driver then into a Keeley modded Boss Tremolo pedal then into a stock Boss Chorus Ensemble then to an Ernie Ball volume pedal and from there to a Keeley modded Boss DD3 delay then to a stock Electro Harmonix Memory Toy and finally to a stock Electro Harmonix Holy Grail reverb pedal then on to the front end of a ‘65 Fender Twin Reverb.  This set up allows me to handle just about any style of music both live and in the studio and provides many sonic variations.

    posted on July 12, 2013 at 4:48 am
  10. Jake Strickland says:

    This information about the order of your effects stems from experience and is solid advice. However, there are no hard, fast rules. Experiment with the order WITHIN the given parameters of this information. You may discover something you’ll find pretty cool. Use YOUR ears and YOUR judgement.

    posted on July 12, 2013 at 4:51 am
  11. mike says:

    My effects chain goes like this. T.C.Polytune into a Morley optic wah.into a MXR Dynacomp.into a EWS Fuzzy Drive into a BAT Pharaoh Fuzz into a Fulltone OCD into a Xotic BB preamp into a Delta Lab chorus into an MXR Carbon Copy.I use this order so I can stack the O.D. and Fuzz effects.The BB preamp stacks well with most pedals.Beware the Pharaoh.

    posted on July 12, 2013 at 4:56 am
  12. Giacomo Cicirello says:

    I have a doubt about placing a EQ pedal, there is a missing concept about EQ pedals, some people use them to cut dirt from amps, like a clean channel switch.
    I have a HBE Detox which you can use it as EQ boost, but you also can cut down the dirt of a AMP. It works incredible well, but I still don’t know if this pedal has to be placed before or after my OD and FUZZ pedals?... I suppose placing it before them will make my pedals less effective or less gainy?...not sure about this.
    Right now is like this: Tuner> COMP> DETOX EQ > OVERDRIVE>FUZZ>  ETC…

    posted on July 12, 2013 at 5:11 am
  13. jason says:

    I have had good luck with this order:

    EHX Crying Tone Wah (on floor before the board> TC Electronics Polytune mini> Mooer Auto Wah> Pigtronix Philosophers’ Tone Compressor> Full Tone OCD> Keely Tubescreamer> EQ> EH Big Muff Pi Tone Wicker> Mooer Flanger then Chorus then Phaser>TC Electronics Nova Delay> Boss/Roland Rotary Ensemble with foot pedal for speed control> Ernie Ball pan/volume> amp.

    Yes I have bad GAS (gear acquisition syndrome) but the order works even though its slightly out of the typical flow!

    posted on July 12, 2013 at 6:17 am
  14. Fred Evans says:

    Thanks, Andy!  Me, I like an amp set clean, just at that sweet spot that many erstwhile Overdrive pedals start at.  I mix a custom Green Russian type fuzz with a Lovepedal Kanji 9, either one first, makes lottsa cool diff Tones.  I like a Fulltone Fat Boost 2 at the end…Even thru an old Yamaha G 5 transistor amp this stuff knocks sox off.Most folks, even seasoned Players, cannot tell its not an old Fender Harvard… I learned this stuff from Glen Quan and Joe MacNamara…and You, Andy!  Thanks Way Way Much! PGS is just…IT.

    posted on July 12, 2013 at 6:21 am
  15. Brandon Mchenry says:

    I like to put a boost at the end of my effects loop chain (serial effects loop with primarily time based effects) on my Marshall DSL40C. It really adds a kick, I just use a Boss SD-1 set for a slight clean boost.

    posted on July 12, 2013 at 6:32 am
  16. chris says:

    John Reed: if you are using it for compression, put it first.

    posted on July 12, 2013 at 6:52 am
  17. Sudsy100 says:

    What works for some may not work best for others, but after a zillion rounds of experimentation I’ve found the tried-and-true “standard” method to be the best overall. Only minor things I change are:

    1. Placing a Hartman compressor after a Clean Boost (Xotic EP Booster) and also after one or two light OD or foundation pedals (RAH, 72 Degrees, BB Preamp, etc). Sort of in the middle of the “OD/Light-Dirt” stuff and the higher gain jobbies.

    2. I tend to put fuzz near the first, with the only proviso being after the Wah and a light boost as well (again, an Xotic EP Booster). The one gig in 10 I use an an Octave pedal, I place it directly after the Wah, EP Booster and fuzz, but before any foundation overdrives.

    All mod and delay pedals go at the end of the chain, with the EQ somewhere after (or in-between) the “higher gain chain”. I sorta throw a dart and say, “that’s where the EQ goes for this gig”.

    posted on July 12, 2013 at 6:54 am
  18. jeff says:

    for the EVH jet sounds, he puts the flange and phase into the input of the amp, not in the loop.

    posted on July 12, 2013 at 8:29 am
  19. Rich says:

    Hands - Guitar - Tuner - Wah - Octava - Fuz - Overdrive - EQ - Distortion - Chorus - UniVibe -  Delay - Clean Boost - Amp.
    Covers all 4 me.  The Octava, Fuzz and UniVibe positions using Captain Coconut -2

    posted on July 12, 2013 at 8:53 am
  20. John Hunter says:

    Vox Wah-Blues Driver-Harmonist-Tuner-Chorus-Reverb-Delay

    posted on July 12, 2013 at 9:24 am
  21. Jimmy D says:

    I agree with the article except I like the way my Micro Vibe sounds in the effects loop.

    Tuner > comp > preamp/eq > OD > distortion > front of amp > fx loop > vibe > tremolo > delay.

    posted on July 12, 2013 at 10:02 am
  22. oscar cortes says:

    Korg Pitchblack tuner, Sabbadius Cry Baby Mod, Sabbadius Oct Up Fuzz, Sabbadius BC108 Fuzz,  BBE Green Driver, Danelectro Cool Cat Vibe, EH Small Stone, Boss Chorus Ensamble, Artec Analog Delay.

    posted on July 12, 2013 at 10:20 am
  23. imreoir giotar says:

    I use a digitech guitar modeler. the signal chain goes like this: compressor then (depending on the song, my expression pedal kicks in here and controls either chorus depth or delay regen or whammy shift ) amp model (mostly Mesa Boogie Dual Rectifier) or distortion (mostly a Boss DS-1 effect)  effect then three band equalizer (mid range scooped a little but bass and treble set higher) then noise gate then chorus OR flange OR some other modulation then delay (different delay times and or regeneration levels each get a separate channel) then reverb (again each reverb level/type gets its own channel).  then digitech out goes either to phones or to a peavey amp modeler (mostly Mesa/Boogie or Diezel or Krank).

    posted on July 12, 2013 at 10:37 am
  24. AL says:

    It goes like this = = VOX wah-wah 1st in chain. Next - compression; mine is a CMAT mods. Then comes the Boss TU-2 tuner. It is the smartest place for this - from here it also is in a good spot for use as a standby switch for switching guitars. Then comes overdrive - if you’re not using a TS something at this point you need to rethink you’re entire chain now. A board sans tubescreamer is in one word - bored. Next is all the rest of the dirt for those of you who use it. I get all the crunch I need from my TS-9. But - next on my list (to purchase) is the Catalinbread DLS, which will be placed between the TU-2 and the TS-9; looking forward to that! That’s when I will re-locate the DD-6 from the board to the effects loop and rock out!

    posted on July 12, 2013 at 10:41 am
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  26. Ben Agro says:

    I play a Tele, low output, so this is my chain:
    Boss tuner, Sparkle Drive to give a boost, Boss CS2 compressor, Ibanez TS9 (for crunch sound), Ibanez Metal Screamer (set with more distortion and a bit darker, an alternative sound to TS9), Ibanez AD80 (Yes!) Analog Delay, Boss CE3 chorus, Morley Volume Pedal.
    All assembled in a RockBag pedalboard that gives power supply too.
    All goes in a Fender Hot Rod Deluxe III “Chocolate Tweed”, that I use only in clean bright channel.
    I am pretty happy with that setup. Playing with the Tele I got nice sounds for country-rock music, plugging in a Les Paul or something meaner like a Charvel, I can have good rock sounds.
    The good thing is that, except for the new Sparkle Drive, all the pedals are vintage, mostly from the 80’s. The bad thing is that I bought them at that time, so I am kinda “vintage” too!

    posted on July 12, 2013 at 6:00 pm
  27. Francisco Andre says:

    Have you ever seen Paul Glbert’s pedalboards?
    He uses modulations and delays first then dirty pedals at the end!
    And it sounds great!

    What it means is: there is no real rules to chain the pedals correctly. What sounds best for you is what you got!

    posted on July 12, 2013 at 6:09 pm
  28. mark says:

    the last pedals in my front chain are, eq (slightly boost low mids) , fuzz, distortion, overdrive, eq (slightly boost high mids).

    posted on July 12, 2013 at 11:03 pm
  29. imreoir giotar says:

    when I use my digitech to model stomp boxes and these then go into my modeling amp (rather than straight to my headphones) I usually use two maybe three channels of the amp—mostly use a clean Bad Cat amp with all gain and eq controls set to neutral with no delay or reverb only post volume for a clean channel. Now if I don’t use the digitech to model distortion but rather use it to simulate an acoustic, I use all the other ed, modulation, delay and reverb effects from the digitech again into the bad cat. I often use the amp looper and record the clean channel and then use the amp modeling to develop a second and sometimes third high gain distortion amp model (either a Mesa/Boogie Dual Rect or a Diezel or Krank amp model) to play along with the clean channel loop. But this wasn’t always so. Back in the day I had stomp boxes running into the front of my only old school amp. On the one hand, I like the convenience of modeling but I miss the ability to really tweak a box. In a perfect world, I guess I’d have three or four different amps each with the other pedal chain. For the most part I’d follow the signal chain suggestions here but then again, it’s a matter of tone that dictates for me what goes where.

    posted on July 13, 2013 at 1:26 am
  30. mattyboy says:

    i love all the drama that comes after Andy makes a few suggestions.well im the best guitar player in the whole wide world,and i know more about gear then anybody,..even Andy! and i totaly agree with Andy.i love pedals more then life itself and pgs should give me a job doing demos.maybe with Andy playing rythm guitar or that british dude playing drums while i totally bring the house down with my sheer awesomeness.playing more then a pink floyd song when trying to sell every delay i demo..come on now..thats all Andy plays.

    posted on July 13, 2013 at 5:00 am
  31. Mike says:

    Don’t forget the power supply.If you’re a Voo Doo Lab pedal power 2 plus user, you can set the"sag"channels 7 and 8 to a lower voltage .Set a silicon fuzzface or a compresser to 6.5 or 7 volts.Less noise and the Fuzzface will really sing.

    posted on July 13, 2013 at 5:34 am
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  33. Excellent Steve says:

    PUT YOUR TUNER 1st
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    There’s 2 approaches:
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    There is no substituting doing your own “mad-creative-scientist” work.
    It’s all wonderful alchemy.

    posted on July 13, 2013 at 2:07 pm
  34. Eric says:

    Putting pitch after fuzz is somewhat common and sounds pretty good. Try a fuzz face into a pog2, tracks quite well.

    posted on July 14, 2013 at 2:00 am
  35. Mountain Tree Moonman says:

    I love the sound of dirt after an rich analog delay

    posted on July 14, 2013 at 3:12 am
  36. Charles Martin says:

    i agree, mountain tree moonman. I know that it is unconventional, but I love the sound of my DL4 before my drive or overdriven amp…especially the analog and lofi settings. the dirt just seems to roll. I get lots of compliments, and then I get lots of “did you know that is the wrong order?” statements. but it does sound good. boss dd5 on the other hand, not so much.

    posted on July 15, 2013 at 8:09 am
  37. mark says:

    what about a stereo rig. awsome!

    posted on July 15, 2013 at 10:59 am
  38. Tom says:

    Dirt before delay

    posted on July 16, 2013 at 2:18 am
  39. kelvin burn says:

    octave fuzz - whammy - ring mod - analogue chorus is a beautifully deranged sound

    posted on July 23, 2013 at 8:00 pm
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