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Gilmour Tone on a Budget

May 24, 2012

By Rusty Wiseman

David Gilmour

Elusive.  That is one word to describe the legendary tone of David Gilmour.  The right combination of gear, playing style, and era produced one of the most sought after guitar tones in rock history.  So how do we Gilmour's Rig 1994get the Gilmour tone for ourselves?  Besides owning the exact gear and channeling the spirit of his amazing fingers (tough to do since he’s still alive) there are plenty of options out there but who’s got an extra house to mortgage these days.  Many companies capitalize on the Gilmour name with signature gear, claims of Gilmour-like sound and sustain and charge top-dollar for the products.  What about the rest of us that don’t have the money for the Custom Shop David Gilmour Strat or the stadium in which to play the HiWatt 100 watt head and 4x12 cabinets David used.  While a lot of us may have multiple axes, there are plenty of rockers out there who are one guitar/one amp people.  How do they get the Gilmour tone?  Well, we’re going to introduce some budget and size minded alternatives to David’s stage setup that will allow the working-class guitarist to put together a rig that will get close to that magic tone without having to take out a second mortgage.

We’ll start with the first link in the chain, the guitar.  Gilmour is very well known for playing a Strat.  There is the Fender Standard Stratocaster (Mexico) that is a perfect starting point.  If you have a bit more and are looking for a more vintage feel, the Fender Classic Series Strats are more vintage-oriented with higher quality hardware.  The Classic 50’s Stratocaster and Classic 60’s Stratocaster are both great starting EMG SA Stratocaster Setpoints.  With either of these options, or if you already own a Strat or Strat-copy, the next step is pickups.  If you want quiet operation and a more modern Gilmour tone, the EMG DG-20 Pickguard is prewired and loaded with the SA single coils.  It’s ready to drop in to any Strat.  If you don’t want the entire pickguard, the EMG SA Stratocaster Set gives you just the pickups.  These are the pickups David uses in his Red Strat.  If you’re after the more classic Floyd sound, ala the Black Strat, try out some Seymour Duncan SSL-1 single coils or if those are too mellow, the SSL-5 is a bit hotter.  If you have a bit more available cash, the Lindy Fralin Blues Special Strat Pickups are a great choice.  A quick mod to do to any Strat is to have a push/pull pot or mini switch installed that turns on the neck pickup.  This was a mod done to the Black Strat that allowed Gilmour to use  the neck and bridge pickups together, similar to a Tele tone.  This is a great Strat mod even if you aren’t a Gilmour fan.

Fender Standard Stratocaster

Some of you may have a guitar with humbuckers that you love and can’t afford having a Strat in the stable too.  Well, you won’t be able to completely nail the Strat tone, but you can at least get close.  Try putting a coil-tap on your humbuckers.  This will allow you to play them in single-coil mode to get close.  The humbuckers may not be a detriment when soloing though, when you kick on the fuzz those ‘buckers will help get some glorious sustain!

Fender Hot Rod Deluxe

Next up, the amplifier.  If you already own a HiWatt, you’re already there.  If you’re like a majority of guitar players out there, you probably can’t afford to get a HiWatt just for a Gilmour tone or owning a 100 watt head not be practical for you.  If you can have only one amp and it needs to cover a lot of bases, not just Floyd tone, there are a few options.  You’ll want something that has plenty of clean headroom that is a good pedal platform.  The Fender Hot Rod Deluxe is a very popular amplifier that is portable, has plenty of clean headroom, and at 40 watts, it will play most venues easily.  If you’re looking for something with a bit more volume and power, the Fender 65 Twin Reverb is a great choice as well.  There are other amplifiers in this range that will perform just as well, the most important attributes are going to be clean headroom, and it probably needs to be a tube amp.  I’m not familiar with any solid-state amplifiers that respond and take pedals as well as a good old fashioned tube circuit.  If you know of one, go for it!

Now that you’ve gotten your platform, let’s talk effects.  Gilmour is well known for his use of fuzz.  Beginning with a germanium Fuzzface then moving to a silicon BC-108 Fuzzface until 1976 for Animals when he switched to the Big Muff and never looked back.  To get that germanium Fuzzface sound try out an Earthquaker Devices Dream Crusher or a JHS Pollinator.  Unfortunately, Earthquaker Devices Dream Crushera lot of germanium Fuzzface recreations are pretty pricey but these two both fall under the $200 mark and hard boutique quality.  The BC-108 Fuzzface tone has a few more options such as the MXR M173 Classic 108 Fuzz is highly Electro-Harmonix USA Big Muff Pirecommended due to the switchable buffer that makes it wah friendly.  The Solid Gold FX Formula 69 is another great silicon Fuzzface variant.  The Big Muff sound can be had from a number of products.  Without getting too wrapped up in the “Ram’s Head”, “Triangle”, “Civil War”, and Pete Cornish fuzz differences, let’s just talk Big Muff tone.  Granted these all carry different nuances but when you’re on a budget (refer to title) subtle nuances may have to be saved for later.  There are plenty of pedals that will cop that singing sustain lead tone Gilmour is famous for such as the Electro-Harmonix USA Big Muff Pi, the Earthquaker Devices Blackout Effectors Musket FuzzHoof Fuzz, and the Blackout Effectors Musket Fuzz.

Malekko Ekko 616Probably the most sought after tone of Gilmour’s is his delay sound.  Until the Animals tour, David used Binson Echorec delay units.  After this tour, he switched to rack mounted MXR digital delay units due to reliability issues with the Echorecs.  There are many options for great sounding delays.  Modulated analog delays like the Malekko Ekko 616 and the MXR Carbon Copy will get that darker tone that while not exactly sounding like an Echorec, definitely have that vintage vibe that will fit the tone.  For more versatility check out some of the digital delays with multiple options such as the TC Electronic Flashback and Alter Ego or the Nova Repeater that adds tap-tempo.  The Boss DD3 also has some great delay sounds that will work just fine.

TC Electronic Alter Ego Delay

The next and final step would be some modulation.  Gilmour was known to use rotary speakers as well as the EHX Electric Mistress.  If you want both in one pedal, a TC Electronic Nova Modulator is a great choice.  It has a great flanger and while it doesn’t have a rotary speaker effect, the chorus and tri-chorus can be dialed in to get a pseudo-Leslie effect.  There are three versions of the Electric Mistress available now from EHX, the Neo Mistress, Stereo Electric Mistress, and the big box Deluxe Electric Mistress, all priced under $200 and the Neo Mistress is under $100! A rotary speaker emulator is tough to get on a budget but a good Electro-Harmonix Neo Mistresschorus effect will certainly come close. The Boss CE-5 Chorus Ensemble and the MXR M234 Analog Chorus will both get you some great swirlies that are reminiscent of a rotary effect. The If you really want a rotary speaker simulator, you’ll have to stretch the budget a bit but the Option 5 Destination Rotation is a great pedal for this effect.Option 5 Destination Rotary Speaker

Viola!  While this is not the boutique effects geek dream rig, it will certainly get you close enough to jam along with your favorite Gilmour tune as well as cop the occasional cover live.  No matter how much money you throw at it, it’s virtually impossible to get the exact sound and with a little economy, you can get darn close and still have money left over to spoil your significant other some too.

 

 

Comments

  1. Stephen says:

    Cool article. But here’s an idea. Play with your amp and effects until YOU think it sounds cool and then go with that.

    posted on May 25, 2012 at 1:47 am
  2. David says:

    Why not mention the Boss RT-20 for the rotary effects? I can cop a hella good buncha Floyd tones as a result of using one. Can be found used for under $125!

    posted on May 25, 2012 at 1:49 am
  3. AJ says:

    After a strat an a clean amp, a Line6 M9 will easily hit the fuzz face/big muff dirt, has an echorec mode delay, and lots of modulation.  At under 299$ used most places, that is a real budget friendly option

    posted on May 25, 2012 at 2:04 am
  4. François Desnoyers says:

    You can use Line6 POD HD500 and have all the amps and effects used by David, including Fuzz Face stomp box.

    posted on May 25, 2012 at 2:18 am
  5. Frank says:

    The Electro Harmonix Germanium4 Big Muff will get you VERY close or RIGHT at Glimour’s fuzz and distortion. The Germanium4 has an overdrive side and fuzz side and both could be used at the same time - and is very affordable and a great box to have. As another comment states, the Boss RT-20 rotary box gets a good Floyd tone, and is absolutely perfect for this. It also has distortion that can be dialed in. The article mentions a few delay (echo) options, and they are all fine. Delay that is more vintage sounding is best. Add a little chorus and it can be heaven when playing along or performing tunes like “Comfortably Numb” and the like. A lot of headroom is important. I use a Hi-Watt 50W combo with a Fender Custom Shop 1964 Vibro-Verb with Cesar Diaz mods with 15” speaker. These are both blended via ABY box. A Marshall Vintage Modern 50W combo also works great with the two pre-amps set low and master all the way up. Interestingly enough you can get very close to Gilmour’s tone with the recent Fender Mustang III (100W) on the ‘65 Twin model tweaked with Fender Fuse software - and this amp is very affordable (under $300). Stock Strat pickups do very well. It is possible to get close to his tone in a way that will make you smile.

    posted on May 25, 2012 at 2:26 am
  6. Lee says:

    My Pod xt live with a Rock Box Boiling Point in front of it is all I needed to nail any Gilmour or Pink Floyd sound. I also have an M9 now, and go into a Peavey Classic 50 4x10 with 15”  extension cab. I have lots of great individual pedals and amps that I could put together to get that sound too. A lot of pedals that Gilmour himself uses. But I consider myself lucky to have found this simple combination. No noise issues between effects either…

    posted on May 25, 2012 at 2:28 am
  7. Nathan says:

    For vibe and rotary, I really like the Fulltone Deja Vibe and the Tech 21 Rotochoir.

    posted on May 25, 2012 at 2:31 am
  8. Mike says:

    For vibe and rotary I like Dunlop Rotovibe.

    posted on May 25, 2012 at 2:35 am
  9. Jason says:

    Great tip on the boss (roland) rotary ensemble, much better choice than the chorus ensemble. And I like to add the tc electronics nova delay. Currently i play an American strat through a big muff pi/nova delay/rotary ensemble split out stereo (thanks to the boss) to a volume pedal and 2 fender amps. Pretty much covers a bunch of Gilmour sounds from fuzzed solos to far away animals birdish sound echoes…

    posted on May 25, 2012 at 2:35 am
  10. George says:

    I got the ‘75 Hiwatt head.  ‘But no strat :(

    posted on May 25, 2012 at 2:39 am
  11. Tom S says:

    I find it odd that you suggest a Fralin set of pickups that’s actually much more expensive than the actual pickups that Gilmour himself uses. In his actual Black Strat are an SSL-5 in the bridge, a Fender Custom Shop ‘69 in the middle, and a Fender Fat ‘50s in the neck.

    posted on May 25, 2012 at 2:48 am
  12. Roman Garcia says:

    Cool article. One area of effects that I haven’t really gotten into is the use of different types of modulation. I use to own a Small Stone but could never find a reason to use it so I sold it. I’m not really into copying other peoples sounds but I definitely enjoy learning how others come up with sounds and borrowing ideas into my own sound. Thanks for the article!

    posted on May 25, 2012 at 2:49 am
  13. Eric Coomer says:

    The first five links you suggest are all out of stock. It gets tiresome to always see items out of stock on the website.

    posted on May 25, 2012 at 2:54 am
  14. Eric Coomer says:

    And the Alter Ego has been out of stock for weeks now, so why link to it in a new article? Will more be made? Because I would love to get my hands on one. If it’s not, why not just link to the Flashback it’s based on?

    posted on May 25, 2012 at 2:58 am
  15. billy bufford says:

    All You Need is RIGHT HERE:
    www.gilmourish.com
    www.kitrae.net/music/music.html

    posted on May 25, 2012 at 3:50 am
  16. StratQuebec says:

    The exact expression is “voilà”. Voila!
    Great article btw!

    posted on May 25, 2012 at 3:51 am
  17. Mike says:

    No Compressor?

    I also am tired of the ubiquitous “out of stock”.

    posted on May 25, 2012 at 4:42 am
  18. Paul says:

    This is a great article - well written, and actually an interesting read. One thing it does miss out though is that, if you’re willing to go used, you can get higher spec items for similar to what you’d pay for the ones mentioned new. Still, I supposed PGS have to make their money somehow! XD.

    Keep up the good work!

    posted on May 25, 2012 at 4:56 am
  19. Vin says:

    Hi! Great article.
    I would just add a MXR DynaComp to get a really fat strat tone.
    And why not an Electro Harmonix Memory Toy/Boy/Man for the delay sounds? They have super tape-ish repeats and modulation!

    posted on May 25, 2012 at 5:05 am
  20. Alan Day says:

    Good article with some very good pointers. I do however think that to really nail it, you have to be VERY picky about the Big Muff you choose. The Musket mentioned here is pretty good but you should look around. Stomp Under Foot make GREAT muff clones. I built my own, but Muffs are very variable, just a different transistor can mean all the difference - it took 5 years before I was happy with the final build tone!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRdZzehv7Q0&feature=channel&list=UL
    Also, a quiet compressor adds a lot to Gilmour’s clean tones. As to rotary effects - I use a CE-2 but that does not really cut it if you want that DSotMoon sound which is Leslie. Slow it is Davids chorus in “Brain Damage”. Fast it’s “Any colour you like”. I tried the RT-20 but preferred the CE-2. There is no cheap solution. If you are on a budget check out the Strymon Lex for fun. http://www.strymon.net/products/lex/
    Like I said - no cheap rotary.

    posted on May 25, 2012 at 5:40 am
  21. Phillip says:

    I’ve managed to get close with this: Strat with DG20’s (18volt) into a 70’s BMP clone into a Small Clone into an EHX Pulsar (turned down for more pulse than tremolo)  into a Deja Vue echo (with the repeats modulated and sent to a PodXT to warm them up and add a kiss of reverb) into Silvertone 1482.  It’s pretty fun to put a wah before the BMP too, but that’s more for me than for Gilmour.

    posted on May 25, 2012 at 5:43 am
  22. Syrus says:

    Well VIOLA indeed : x


    Most fuzz pedals will get you close, something like a big muff is perfect :)
    Personally I think Germanium is key.

    Get a simple Ge based fuzz and VOILA there you go.

    Also an EP booster pedal has some colouring that is needed to come close.

    posted on May 25, 2012 at 5:54 am
  23. Bill says:

    @Stephen-thanks for your very insightful and obnoxious commentary. Why must some smartass always make this tired, condescending point?

    I am quite confident that most of the guitar playing community understand the concept of originality but gearheads (like me) who frequent Proguitarshop enjoy reading articles like this…

    posted on May 25, 2012 at 6:07 am
  24. Cole says:

    My American Charvel super-strat from the late 80’s into an Art aby box. Then I plug channel “A” thru an EH big muff then straight into my Fender Pro Series Twin’s, clean channel with the tremolo set to slow but deep and the reverb around middle with a tad of gain…then the B channel straight into my Bogner Alchemist on the Mercury channel (high gain) with the tape delay setting on 2’o'clock and the plate reverb setting (not spring) set at about 11…. hold on…you’ve just hit Gilmore’s tone…almost dead on.

    posted on May 25, 2012 at 6:13 am
  25. Cole says:

    I would love to my hands on the Alter Ego TC electonic delay…. even with all I just said…Andy’s demo here on PG makes that pedal sound like pure Gilmore at its best!!! or even better? if that’s possible! and I think it would be great thru the worst of amps.

    posted on May 25, 2012 at 6:20 am
  26. Eric Coomer says:

    I feel silly for not mentioning that this was a great and insightful article! Thanks, Rusty!

    posted on May 25, 2012 at 6:32 am
  27. Marc-Eric Gagnon says:

    For when the Barrett Tone on a Budget

    posted on May 25, 2012 at 7:46 am
  28. Matt says:

    A Phase 90 never did me wrong for the swirl on Breathe

    posted on May 25, 2012 at 8:21 am
  29. Paul Angle says:

    Want an easy out, get new HD POD you got your HiWatt there and BinRec delay as well. Muff is in there but word to the wise using the POD learn how to use the EQs and where, improves the tones exponentially. I tend to prefer the uber gain heads for gain on the POD rather than the often too buzzy sounding distortions but you can EQ them and you should.

    Anyway, $500 for a fullsize HD500 and you have everything you can imagine to experiment.  How about 2 HiWatt’s or perhaps 1 and a Marshall for a blend? Cheaper models have the same effects and amps (but the HD500 is dual amp and dual chain) , so for like $300 you can get it all (all effects and 1 amp, 1 chain), but word to the wise, the POD is not a plug in and play unit, learn how it works, learn to tweak it and you will be amazed at how great it can sound.

    Of course the POD is only as good as what you pipe it to. I use a power amp config w a BBE to a 4x12 cab, just kills, and sounds so much like the amp models as to be freaky.
    May I just add one word about Dave’s tone, VIBE, VIBE, UniVibe or various units thereof. POD has a decent mimic in it as well but I prefer the Fulltone DejaVibe also the choice of Trower.
    Breath and what not, that is a VIBE not a chorus, please, there is a defined difference and you can tell those who have never played a univibe type unit do not get that is not a chorus unit.

    posted on May 25, 2012 at 8:50 am
  30. Jas says:

    +1 to the “Out of Stock” annoyance…. Often I save up enough cash to buy the pedals I want, come to this site and they are almost always out of stock… So I head to another online store and purchase there.  I may pay a bit more, but it beats waiting weeks and weeks for stock to come back in..

    PGS, you have a really good following, but your starting to push customers away with your supply issues.

    I’m cashed up again and ready to purchase, 3 of the 4 items I want are out of stock…. looks like you miss out on another $500.

    posted on May 25, 2012 at 9:17 am
  31. Rich says:

    Plenty of usable Gilmour tones here for your pod.
    http://dueymoore.com/pod_hd_and_xt_patches.html

    posted on May 25, 2012 at 9:52 am
  32. Nihar says:

    I’d like to throw in my two cents on getting his tone on a bigger budget.  For the delay, I use a Danelectro Reel Echo set with Tape Flutter and a Tube Output (the Tape Flutter sounds much more realistic than the ones on the EHX Memory Man/Boy/Toy).  A Danelectro Chicken Salad Tremolo (named tremolo, sounds like the son of a univibe and tremolo) evens things out in the end, and that toen is amazing.

    posted on May 25, 2012 at 11:23 am
  33. Ben says:

    If you’re really on a budget, an all-in-one modeler (POD, Zoom, DigiTech) is the way to go.

    posted on May 25, 2012 at 11:55 am
  34. Straight Shooter says:

    I love tube amps, and vintage effects.

    However - I think the time has come to admit that if one is going for ‘close enough’ to **somebody else’s** tone, then a decent, current generation amp/effect modeller will get you way close enough.

    The only person who **needs** to spend a lot of time money sounding like DG is ..  DG.
    And a couple of those guys who earn their crust in full time Floyd tribute acts.

    The rest of us should be making new sounds, or at least honing our own,
    Guitar music is ebbing away.
    Maybe .. because most players are spending way too much time and money trying to cop tones - other peoples - and not enough time writing and woodshedding. Just my opinion of course.

    I accept that ProGuitarShop exists to sell stuff though! And hey, FWIW, does it very well, and in an entertaining way.

    posted on May 25, 2012 at 7:31 pm
  35. bmorris2112 says:

    I’m sorry, but for those of you who have posted things on here such as ‘My Line 6 POD unit works great for anything”, or “my ‘Peavey-multi-effects-all-in-one-floorboard-unit’ gets every single one of these sounds & way more”.........shouldn’t really even bother being on here, much less handing out advice to others in search of ‘unique’ & ‘original’ effect pedals. If you love getting every single amp, distortion, fuzz, echo, reverb, speaker size, etc - all from your one little, ‘rock-star-in-a-box’ unit that pretty much comes with a bonafide ‘guarantee’ that you’ll sound like every other mundane guitar player on the market, ‘great’ - but please keep it to yourselves & not preach to those of us who are actually trying to discover & ‘create’ our own original sounds & tones. Not to mention the simple fact that some of us actually still love to collect & experiment with as many different pedals as we can learn about or afford to buy - simply because we still love the actual ‘real-sounds’ that these pedals are known for, or can produce - AND - it’s still just plain old ‘fun’. I’m sorry, but you just can’t get that same amount of creativity and/or ‘fun’ out of some ‘all-in-one-digital-pre-programmed-by-some-chinese-guy-who’s-probably-never-even-played-guitar-multi-effects-table-top-pod-unit.” This isn’t Wal-Mart after all. And if you can’t afford it right away, or if you’re on a tight budget - here’s a thought - save up your money over time, and buy/trade various pedals as you go along in life and get what you really want. It’s not that difficult and many people have been doing it for many decades now. In the end, you’ll be much happier, you’ll have a much more ‘original’ sound of your own, you’ll enjoy it much better, and again - it’s just WAY more ‘fun’.

    posted on May 25, 2012 at 8:32 pm
  36. Bradley McCarty says:

    @bmorris2012=snob

    posted on May 25, 2012 at 10:49 pm
  37. SpiroGiro says:

    I am still amazed by this rendition with a simple Fender Super Champ XD and a Tele….  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGeWr6dHvFk

    posted on May 26, 2012 at 1:50 am
  38. Alan Day says:

    I have to agree with several people here - how you play is more important than the gear. When people ask me about my Gilmour tones I always hold up 4 fingers and reply that there are 4 MAIN POINTS ... ....
    It takes a while for some to get it.

    posted on May 26, 2012 at 5:24 am
  39. nikolaos says:

    This guy from Italy nails his tone quite well. Turn on CC to read the English transcript:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzpySj7NxJo&list=PL384333E323618255&index=2&feature=plpp_video

    posted on May 26, 2012 at 5:26 am
  40. DrProgNerd says:

    On rotary effects - DLS RotoSIM is a beautiful effect that can be had for about 225-ish used.  On bashers of multi effects -  I have a pretty nice pedal board with about $2,500.00 in pedals sitting on it. There is no way I’m going to subject it to drunks and beer-spittle at the local bar gig. That said, I bought a POD HD500. Using the four-cable method, I can pull some very nice sounds from it. I agree with what bmorris 2112 said about saving up for pedals though. Save up for them one at a time and you can eventually have a great board.My board evolved over years of experimentation ... and watching Andy’s demos on PGS.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    posted on May 26, 2012 at 11:40 am
  41. Niko Holmen says:

    Superb posting, I share the same views. I wonder why this particular world truly does not picture for a moment like me and also the blog site creator :D

    posted on May 26, 2012 at 1:02 pm
  42. Will says:

    Effects, same theory as guitars, if it gets the sound you want, and you have it in your hands, then it is a good guitar or effect. Dg didn’t set out to make the dg sound. He played what he liked. Every one should do the same.Copy if you want. Use a multi effects box if you want. I use my M13 to try out stompbox sounds before I decide to build them. They sound pretty close. Lets not get into the eternal, “my brands better and more authentic than yours” The best David Gilmour impersonator is Dave Gilmour….er, because he is Dave Gilmour. What right has anyone got to denigrate someone elses approach to their sound. Famously, Mayer, when asked by Jimi for a better sounding Fuzz Face, kept handing him the same one, till Jimi indicated , that yes, that was the best sounding one.Don’t get blinded by the emperors new clothes.

    posted on May 26, 2012 at 3:19 pm
  43. Tom S says:

    I think the problem here is that this blog post went beyond just Gilmour tone on a budget and started getting into specific items which are actually more expensive than what David Gilmour himself uses.

    The basics: Strat with AlNiCo magnet poles (replace those MIM Standard Strat pickups)—> Big Muff Pi—> 100 watt amp with EL34s (or a digital model thereof)

    That’ll put you in the ballpark. And before you say that it has to specifically be a Hiwatt, Gilmour DID use Marshalls on The Wall, About Face, and part of the Momentary Lapse tour. The key is to set them LOUD but clean.

    For all those complaining about people saying they get the tone with their POD… Yeah, this is a budget article, and Line6 gives us a WHOLE LOT of tone for VERY LITTLE dollar.

    The other part of his tone is to just practice. A lot of people get REALLY EXCITED and play hard. Gilmour has a very easy touch. His vibrato is mellow. His picking is soft. Take the time to feel the note and you’ll notice you start sounding more like Gilmour regardless of your gear, just like he sounds like himself when playing a Gretsch through a tweed Champ.

    posted on May 26, 2012 at 9:48 pm
  44. Paul says:

    Speaking as a 35yr player having a $3K pedalboard. I recently got a new HD500 POD just to see what it can do. Amp models are amazing, IF, you run the unit into a decent rig. I would never imagine using it on my main tube head OR would I ever imagine using any stupid sounds-like user preset bullshit. I do not use anything anyone has rendered for the POD. Being knowledgeable of all effects and useage, I am not a dufus who gets a multi-processor to sound like someone at a click for some stupid preset an idiot thinks sounds right. The POD is a great unit but like all things it is entirely within the ability of the player. An idiot w a complex tweaking unit is just a worse idiot trying to use it. I love pedals always have, my last board has 12 w 2 chains, loop and amp in. Better yes, but the POD HD can do things you cannot do with pedals and it is killer tone if you know how to rig it. Do not expect a shoebox w a little speaker to sound like Bogner or an Engl.

    posted on May 27, 2012 at 7:09 am
  45. Will says:

    Hey…intelligent responses…this is the forum it should be again. Now to bring the tone down…does it matter which way you face when playing David Gilmour licks, to get the right alignment of the planets. 1971 (?) i saw the Floyd in Melbourne Australia….$4 ticket in a crap Venue…Festival Hall . David had a box with a gear stick on it that rotated the sound through speaker cabs located around the hall during CWTA Eugene. Incorporating that in your sound could be difficult. A Gilmour Relic Custom Strat would look very ugly inside , judging by the photos of the surgery he did looking for his sound. I find it enlightening that the experts still argue what guitars J.Page used on some Zep tracks, with some suggestions being a humble tele. Does it matter if you liked the sound. Can you sound like Clapton without blocking off your strat trem? Could you get his sound on a hard-tail strat ,without the ‘clang’ added by the trem springs? Hey, I can detect Humbucker tone from Single Coil on recordings, but unlike some, cannot tell you if it has nitro-cellulose lacquer on it yet.Or if the artist was using a curly cord. Apparently some boffins can.

    posted on May 27, 2012 at 8:23 am
  46. paul says:

    So much hype and lore in the guitar realm, woods, finishes, tubes, yada, not sure what of it amounts to anything.at all. Less than I expect. IS there a difference in power tubes, really, I suspect in the same area than one hears differences in batteries.

    Odd thing about sounding like someone or trying to get the same tone, truth is one could pick up the player’s in question complete rig and NOT sound like them. So much of it is technique, feel and touch.

    I hit on tones of various things going at it from an entirely different approach. There are basic issues of things like single coil verses HB which are quite different. One can hear the differences in recordings. Like I can hear the difference in a small amp and larger amp recorded at volume.

    This entire market gimmickry of selling low watt amps pisses me off to no end.
    I venture hardly any players can explain the purpose of wattage or be wrong in saying volume.

    I get how some love having a little amp breakup and clip out on no input and that is the trick that pony does, period. Not knowing what watts are for or what they do is just par for the course in the hype world of those selling you a 1 watt amp or little Fender reissue for $1000. If that is what you want to spend your money on, whatever. Enjoy the years of never being happy w your tone or wanting to try a pedal effect your amp cannot handle.

    I usually get into such arguments w little amp guys on the premise the amp is little more than a gain pedal and that is all it does and there are actual pedals that do it better, Or arguing what watts do or how an 8” speaker cannot possibly reproduce the low end of a 12” . And seriously the guy running a high end POD into a little single speaker and amp and his Bogner or Engl preset don’t sound like the real amp. Really? Early Gilmour relied on cleaner high wattage Park amps (bastard brother of a Marshall) using effects. Clean tubes make any pedal sound better, it is not all about gain and dist from tubes.

    Multiprocessors are so much sold to the stupid crowd as punch up this hero programmed preset or a “sounds-like” user rendered preset, those things are all over the POD library. Total crap really. To presume anyone w any guitar or amp is going to punch up a reliable mimic of some player or tune is just stupid. Anything has to be tweaked and EQ’d for your guitar.amp and room environment. I got so pissed off at TC Electronics w the Toneprint pedals waiting and wating for the public editor to be able to tune and tweak the pedal to ones own use, but just hero after hero providing a preset of what they come up with. Seriously? I finally traded my Toneprint pedals off. And w my POD HD500 every single factory preset has been erased. Not good for me even as a starting point. I prefer to set everything up from scratch as few have mastered the tricks on that unit to get great tones.

    If you heard any of my dual amp POD presets tweaked in to my rig you would never bad mouth one again. Clean or uber gain, you’d swear the amp was in the room or imagine 2 of the amps stacked and blended into a composite tone, has to be heard to be believed how deep and full the tone is. Forget most of the early effects, only a couple of the drives or dist are usable, modulations, delays and reverb are pretty cool especially if you stereo pan them.

    What Gimour, get some bucks or try a POD to help out with the amp and Binrec echo unit. Do not like the Muff model myself but there are other pedals and means to get gain.
    Want to hear the most intense articulate Big muff like Fuzz that compares w Dave’s best, Wampler Triple Wreck. pedal. Need a good amp first, then a good Strat.

    posted on May 28, 2012 at 3:17 pm
  47. Alan Day says:

    Yeah, having good pickups is a good place to start. The old saying Garbage in = Garbage out applies. I recently Built a black Strat and fitted SSL1c DG for the Bridge, Fender CS69 for middle and the prototype of the Fat Boy “Black Guard” in the neck position. I kept breaking off working to go and play these straight into my Classic 30 without all the Smarties - the tone is just awesome.

    posted on May 29, 2012 at 5:20 am
  48. Will says:

    Now there is an amp. I put a pair of Stewmac slighty hot wound PAF copies into 335 I made, through a Classic 30. Same experience….straight through, clean. Sparkle, is they only word I could think of. Reverb, hot tubes….the time just went. Some delay, added the looper….hours passed. I have an LP Junior Double cut, built from mahogany neck/body from Precision Guitar Kits. Put in two mini buckers. No tone control, just vol and 3-way. Wrap around bridge, short cable into Vox Little Night Train through Marshall quad box. Bliss with no frills. Sometimes you just want to hear the pickups. Oddly enough, it sounded great with no mojo tone caps at all!

    posted on May 29, 2012 at 8:30 am
  49. Phinex says:

    I really dig the corner. And I like Pink Floyd as much as the next guy. But mayber we could talk about something else for a while. It seems to me you guys are starting to border on an unhealthy obsession.

    posted on June 1, 2012 at 12:52 am
  50. Will says:

    Unhealthy obsession! Phinex! I think most people posting on this page are obsessed with gear. But what an ideal thing to be obsessed with. I wanted one of each classic guitar model….but I didn’t have the funds…....so I began making them. And effects pedals. I like to see it as a focus. It’s taken over my life, not to mention my house. It is good to know that you are not alone in compulsive gear acquisition syndrome. Where else can you find a group of tragics arguing about the tone enhancing qualities of capacitor types, believers and non-believers, each side believing they are right. Me, I am Lp Junior type of person, one pickup and the truth, tone knobs optional, into a cranked small valve amp…..13-52 strings, wrap around bridge . Glorious noise. DG is good, a hero of my youth, but yes, I want to hear every guitarist, but I don’t want to be them. I don’t want to sound like them, but I want to know how they get that sound. Do left handed guitars sound different to rightys? If so why?

    posted on June 1, 2012 at 9:32 am
  51. Phinex says:

    Oh I’m totally with you on the gear and music obession. I just want to make it clear to the folks at PGS as much as i respect their knowledge and everything else, The pink Floyd talk is boring me to death at this point. This is the 2nd week in a row with a Floy related column and at least the 3rd overall focused on Gilmore. Amazing band and a captivating player no doubt but why not… Jeff Baxter for instance… I dunno maybe not Baxter but thats all I’m saying. Again no disrespect to anyone intended.

    posted on June 2, 2012 at 12:12 am
  52. Will says:

    Nothing wrong with Skunk Baxter. Roy Buchanan!  Does no-one do articles on Angus young from AC/DC because he uses no effects and has stuck with the same guitar and amp setup all this time? Not a lot of product to sell I guess.

    posted on June 2, 2012 at 1:54 am
  53. james says:

    Gilmour used a coloursound power boost as booster/eq for fuzz and muff on all the classic albums, without it you can’t get Gilmour tone. Plenty of clones on the market for most budgets.

    posted on July 4, 2012 at 10:58 am
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